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>> mara, angelo skoal la will bring continuity to the papacy of joseph ratzinger, pope deny dict xvi. so not much will change while the other two american cardinals who till a few weeks ago didn't stand a chance have suddenly become the front-runners of the so-called reformers, those that want to bring a breath of fesh repair into the vatican walls and to break the italian lock on that roman courier that was so much criticized by cardinals from around the world. scola is believed to have gotten the most votes last night. but the runners up are the american cardinal. we'll know soon enough in the next few days whether we do have the first american cardinal in history. >> what are the cardinals looking for? what direction do they want to take the church in? do we have any indications as to what those things might be? >> well, while the cardinals are divided, they seem to agree on one thing. they want a holy man who is also a businessman because while benedict xvi was appreciated as a great spiritual leader, he was criticized for not having had a strong hand on the administrative side of
>> mara, angelo skoal la will bring continuity to the papacy of joseph ratzinger, pope deny dict xvi. so not much will change while the other two american cardinals who till a few weeks ago didn't stand a chance have suddenly become the front-runners of the so-called reformers, those that want to bring a breath of fesh repair into the vatican walls and to break the italian lock on that roman courier that was so much criticized by cardinals from around the world. scola is believed to have...
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>> because he's along the line of joseph ratzinger. he thinks much like the president pope does. he's not as a lucid writer and speaker as the present pope, as benedict xvi was. he's been the head of two major italian diocese in venice and milan. >> just to be clear, again, i asked both george and father to give us the names of the people not necessarily who they think are front-runners but who they are hearing buzz about and i was surprised, father gahl, you put cardinal timothy dolan. i'm not surprised he's buzzed about here in the states but is there talk about him in the vatican? >> there's definitely talk about him in the vatican. historically also profound while at the same time being filled with cheerfulness, optimism about the faith. this is a part of the legacy of pope benedict, that he's left this legacy of the joy that all of us as christians could have. and i think cardinal dolan fills every room that he entered with joy. >> born in argentina to italian parents, i guess he pushes two geographic buttons. what else? >> i once asked cardinal sandri, do you think of yours
>> because he's along the line of joseph ratzinger. he thinks much like the president pope does. he's not as a lucid writer and speaker as the present pope, as benedict xvi was. he's been the head of two major italian diocese in venice and milan. >> just to be clear, again, i asked both george and father to give us the names of the people not necessarily who they think are front-runners but who they are hearing buzz about and i was surprised, father gahl, you put cardinal timothy...
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and the final wave from the former joseph ratzinger, the dean of cardinal is now pope benedict xvi. and we thought pope for life. obviously he's writing a new modern history of the catholic church. you can read more of my thoughts about the pope and see a longer version of this flashback on our website. that wraps up this hour of chris "jansing & co." richard lui is coming up next and is in for thomas roberts. >> the difficulty of watching this process throughout that time, the smoke comes out and you have to be able to tell what color it is. >> that was the fourth one. there were four votes and on none of them could we really tell. they all looked gray to us. and i was just reminded, as i was listening to that again, that because the crowd was so loud that when they announced it and it's as clear as can be that they announced that it was joseph ratzinger, we had to wait for somebody on the ground to tell us. we have another one coming up. >> you can feel the energy. i know you can't wait for this one as well. >> the food is good anyway. >> the food is always good. if anyone knows i
and the final wave from the former joseph ratzinger, the dean of cardinal is now pope benedict xvi. and we thought pope for life. obviously he's writing a new modern history of the catholic church. you can read more of my thoughts about the pope and see a longer version of this flashback on our website. that wraps up this hour of chris "jansing & co." richard lui is coming up next and is in for thomas roberts. >> the difficulty of watching this process throughout that time,...
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i believe it was you who asked me how i felt seeing joseph ratzinger come out on the logia of st. peter's, who i had known at that point for some 17 years, how did i feel about him becoming pope? i said i felt desperately sorry for him because the job is, in one sense, an impossible one, but i was also glad for him because the world was finally going to see the joseph ratzinger i knew, not the cartoon of him that had been spread over the past 20 years. i think that's part of what's reflected in this crowd today. benedict xvi has been the greatest papal preacher in almost 1,400 years, since pope gregory the great. he's a marvelous catechist, a teacher of christian truth. he distills extraordinary learning into simple, elegant phrases that communicate with people all over the world. so there's a somewhat bittersweet sense this may be the last time the world gets to hear this remarkable personality lay out the truth of christian faith as he's been given to understand it, but i'm also having a sense of gratitude that we had eight years to learn from a master teacher, and i think the w
i believe it was you who asked me how i felt seeing joseph ratzinger come out on the logia of st. peter's, who i had known at that point for some 17 years, how did i feel about him becoming pope? i said i felt desperately sorry for him because the job is, in one sense, an impossible one, but i was also glad for him because the world was finally going to see the joseph ratzinger i knew, not the cartoon of him that had been spread over the past 20 years. i think that's part of what's reflected in...
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eight years ago cardinal joseph ratzinger was the front-runner. this year, there is no clear concession on a front-runner. they're hoping to energize the church's 1.2 catholics. their favorite appears to be odilo pedro scherer. also angelo scola is a favorite. american cardinals, timothy dolan of new york and cardinal sean patrick o'malley of boston also appear to be in the mix. >>> president obama is expecting to ramp up a charm offensive traveling to capitol hill to attend each party's weekly meetings. the recent steps in reaching out including dining with top senators could go a long way in reaching a budget deal but that they would not have changed the political impact the country is in today. >> i'm welcoming with open arms. i think the president is tremendously sincere. i don't think this is a poe will the call change in tactics. i think he would like to solve the problems of the country and it would be to his benefit and every american's benefit if he did that. it's time to start leading. the way you do that is quit poking your finger in pe
eight years ago cardinal joseph ratzinger was the front-runner. this year, there is no clear concession on a front-runner. they're hoping to energize the church's 1.2 catholics. their favorite appears to be odilo pedro scherer. also angelo scola is a favorite. american cardinals, timothy dolan of new york and cardinal sean patrick o'malley of boston also appear to be in the mix. >>> president obama is expecting to ramp up a charm offensive traveling to capitol hill to attend each...
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but there was no doubt when they went into that conclave that joseph ratzinger was a front-runner. and we don't have that this time, george, do we? >> no, that's right, chris, no papal funeral. no mourning before a papal funeral. an unprecedented historical situation, and not only no front-runner, but no front row at daytona here. this is a much more wide-open process. as we watch cardinal giovanni batista ray say a prayer that concludes the singing of the ancient hymn "come holy spirit." >> and george, you pointed out, this is cardinal ray, who is right now as we see in front of the microphone there. the important part, george, that comes down to when they go to cast their first ballots, explain why the cardinals will try to disguise their handwriting? >> well, there is a bit of confidentiality involved in this. they're asked to write legibly, but in a way that is not clearly their own. this is a rather complicated instruction. they'll individually walk up to that urn in which the ballots are cast. and say, "i call to witness christ the lord, who will be my judge. that he for whom
but there was no doubt when they went into that conclave that joseph ratzinger was a front-runner. and we don't have that this time, george, do we? >> no, that's right, chris, no papal funeral. no mourning before a papal funeral. an unprecedented historical situation, and not only no front-runner, but no front row at daytona here. this is a much more wide-open process. as we watch cardinal giovanni batista ray say a prayer that concludes the singing of the ancient hymn "come holy...
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. >> reporter: in 2005, bergoglio was runner-up behind joseph ratzinger to replace the late pope john paul ii. he is regarded as a strong defender of catholic doctrine, described by his biographer as a balancing force. he earned a reputation in argentina as a fierce advocate for the poor. >> this is a man of god, a man of the new evangelization, a man who is a great defender of democracy in a country where democracy is under real stress right now in argentina. >> reporter: his election has sparked excitement in latin america, both out of cultural pride and the recognition of the growing importance and influence of that part of the world. >> bergoglio brings latin america to rome and to the world. >> well, the man chosen to lead the roman catholic church has a busy first day. he's set to meet with his predecessor, the former pope benedict this morning, and then celebrate mass this afternoon. nbc's claudio la vantagea is at the vatican this morning. claudio, good morning. what's the mood like where you are? >> reporter: well, mara, cardinal bergoglio has only been pope for a few hours,
. >> reporter: in 2005, bergoglio was runner-up behind joseph ratzinger to replace the late pope john paul ii. he is regarded as a strong defender of catholic doctrine, described by his biographer as a balancing force. he earned a reputation in argentina as a fierce advocate for the poor. >> this is a man of god, a man of the new evangelization, a man who is a great defender of democracy in a country where democracy is under real stress right now in argentina. >> reporter: his...
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. >> reporter: in 2005, bergoglio was runner-up behind joseph ratzinger to replace the late pope john paul ii. he is regarded as a strong defender of catholic doctrine, described by his biographer as a balancing force. he earned a reputation in argentina as a fierce advocate for the poor. >> this is a man of god, a man of the new evangelization, a man who is a great defender of democracy in a country where democracy is under real stress right now in argentina. >> reporter: choosing to become pope francis, he takes the name of 13th-century preacher st. francis aseesie, who lived a life of poverty. no surprise to those who know him. >> you can see the humility of the man, you can see the calm of the man, and i can tell you, i know the strength of the man and the compassion of the man. >> reporter: his election has sparked excitement in latin america, both out of cultural pride and the recognition of the growing importance and influence of that part of the world. >> bergoglio brings latin america to rome and to the world. >> that was lester holt reporting. in a statement, president obama
. >> reporter: in 2005, bergoglio was runner-up behind joseph ratzinger to replace the late pope john paul ii. he is regarded as a strong defender of catholic doctrine, described by his biographer as a balancing force. he earned a reputation in argentina as a fierce advocate for the poor. >> this is a man of god, a man of the new evangelization, a man who is a great defender of democracy in a country where democracy is under real stress right now in argentina. >> reporter:...
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so this extraordinary moment in history, using the former joseph ratzinger who will be within hours be pope emeritus, getting into the car for this short ride to the helipad leaving the grounds of vatican city for the last time as the head of the roman catholic church. and liz lev, as our historian, give us some historical perspective and what you're seeing as you see this, as someone who has been so close to the vatican and lived ed id ino longe? >> i'm looking at this courtyard, which has had so many different events take place
so this extraordinary moment in history, using the former joseph ratzinger who will be within hours be pope emeritus, getting into the car for this short ride to the helipad leaving the grounds of vatican city for the last time as the head of the roman catholic church. and liz lev, as our historian, give us some historical perspective and what you're seeing as you see this, as someone who has been so close to the vatican and lived ed id ino longe? >> i'm looking at this courtyard, which...
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. ♪ >>> we're back. 85-year-old pope benedict, the former joseph ratzinger, made history today when he left the vatican in a helicopter from rome to the papal summer home, castel gandolfo, for the first phase of his retirement. in his final tweet as pope he said, quote, thank you for your love and support. may you always experience the joy that comes from putting christ at the center of your lives. his departure ushers in a new era for the church and the more than 1 billion catholics worldwide, and soon more than 100 cardinals will meet in conclave to select a new pope and decide the future of the faith. george weigel is our nbc news vatican analyst, and tom roberts is managing editor of "the national catholic reporter" and author of "the emerging catholic church." george, you know, in american presidential politics, we always try to correct for the latest president. you know, we had truman who had too much of a kansas city problem, so we brought in mr. clean eisenhower. we had nixon and ford, so we brought in a guy who had never been involved in politics or been to washington, carter.
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cardinal joseph ratzinger was elected in the fastest conclave. it came in day two of the conclave. back in 2005, black smoke came in at 6:52 and white smoke came in about six hours later at 12:50 p.m. joining me is george. we've had no pope. at what point is the pivot point for the voting that will take place behind the scenes today, the narrowing down, at least, of the candidates? >> they are certainly going to be narrowing down, thomas. that may have in fact began already. the first vote, as you know last night, is full of complementary votes that don't really give you an indication, that gives the cardinals an indication of where the lay of the land lies. but they ought to have some reasonable idea now after this morning two ballots who has real traction, if anyone, and one can imagine after lunch and the typical italian reposo who may not have taken a nap this afternoon that some of the coalitions are being readjusted and cardinals are thinking now as they reenter the sistine chapel. >> so you talk about those adjustments. if the conclave were to end quickly, after this next vo
cardinal joseph ratzinger was elected in the fastest conclave. it came in day two of the conclave. back in 2005, black smoke came in at 6:52 and white smoke came in about six hours later at 12:50 p.m. joining me is george. we've had no pope. at what point is the pivot point for the voting that will take place behind the scenes today, the narrowing down, at least, of the candidates? >> they are certainly going to be narrowing down, thomas. that may have in fact began already. the first...
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ratzinger of germany received 84 votes and he needed 77. jorge mario bergoglio with four votes. when her sister dumped me. oh dad, you remember my friend alex? yeah. the one that had the work done... [ male announcer ] sometimes being too transparent can be a bad thing. this looks good! [ male announcer ] but not with the oscar mayer deli fresh clear pack. it's what you see is what you get food. [ male announcer ] all stations come over tomayer mithis is for real this time. step seven point two one two. verify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one. standing by for capture. the most innovative software on the planet... dragon is captured. is connecting today's leading companies to places beyond it. siemens. answers. that's not much, you think. except it's 2% every year. go to e-trade and find out how much our advice and guidance costs. spoiler alert: it's low. it's guidance on your terms, not ours. e-trade. less for us. more for you. because all these whole grains aren't healthy unless you actually eat them ♪ multigrai
ratzinger of germany received 84 votes and he needed 77. jorge mario bergoglio with four votes. when her sister dumped me. oh dad, you remember my friend alex? yeah. the one that had the work done... [ male announcer ] sometimes being too transparent can be a bad thing. this looks good! [ male announcer ] but not with the oscar mayer deli fresh clear pack. it's what you see is what you get food. [ male announcer ] all stations come over tomayer mithis is for real this time. step seven point two...
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it's cardinal joseph ratzinger from germany. a runner-up instead of a pope, bergoglio resumes his role running the buenos aires archdiocese. >> he observed the pontiff cat of benedict from the point of view of the guy that could have been pope instead of benedict that is very strong leverage for him to pay more attention to what is happening. >> the sexual abuse scandal which has torn apart one of this kufnt's largest catholic communities, boston, is now rocking the largest diocese of all, new york city. >> you could not read a single story about the catholic church in any newspaper in the world if it didn't reference the scandals to the previous decades, and particularly i'm talking about the child molestation scandals. and rightly so. >> there were some financial disclosures, and there were rumors about a gay lobby within the church, and things that were really weighing very heavily on benedict's shoulders. >> after following pope benedict's struggle from 7,000 miles away, cardinal bergoglio would get a chance to get up and cl
it's cardinal joseph ratzinger from germany. a runner-up instead of a pope, bergoglio resumes his role running the buenos aires archdiocese. >> he observed the pontiff cat of benedict from the point of view of the guy that could have been pope instead of benedict that is very strong leverage for him to pay more attention to what is happening. >> the sexual abuse scandal which has torn apart one of this kufnt's largest catholic communities, boston, is now rocking the largest diocese...
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he is, before he was the pope, he joseph ratzinger, and a profe professor. that's what he wanted to do in retirement. they is a theologian in part, so it's not surprised in that regard. pope watched the church deal with that difficulty as well as the scandals that many felt that they were flat-footed in responding to. >> well, again they're going to be conclave after the 28th. we'll know for the new season of easter who the new pope will be. ann, thanks so much. >>> so another horrific incident of gun violence, this time in delaware. a man shot his wife and a new woman at the newcastle courthouse this morning. the suspect also wounded two police officers. the suspect killed by police. >>> here's a look at what else is topping the news. the lapd is over a record $1 million reward to find chris dorner. the lapd says they will reopened the investigation that led to his firing. he's wanted for a killing spree in revenge for his dismissal. >>> hundreds of school districts canceled classes in new york, connecticut and massachusetts. >>> more than a dozen people we
he is, before he was the pope, he joseph ratzinger, and a profe professor. that's what he wanted to do in retirement. they is a theologian in part, so it's not surprised in that regard. pope watched the church deal with that difficulty as well as the scandals that many felt that they were flat-footed in responding to. >> well, again they're going to be conclave after the 28th. we'll know for the new season of easter who the new pope will be. ann, thanks so much. >>> so another...
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behind those walls, behind those gaets now, pope emeritus, the former joseph ratzinger and we have the seat is vacant. the seat of peter is now vacant. father bartuni krc, your feelin? >> the feelings i've had all day. i'm feeming more. bitt bittersweet. nice to see how the decision of the pope is taken by the catholic faithful throughout the world. following what he believes to be the good for the church and many of us have come to really love him and respect him. and so, you really feel it. i mean, at this moment. well, there you go. at the same time, when you see the -- when you see the swiss guards kind of ending their duty for the time being, i can't help but thinking of the whole history of the papacy. they're a personal guard of the pope because the pope is attacked before. the vatican has been attacked in the 20 centuries of church. even though there's surprises in the past, the schurch is still here and god is still working through the church and so i feel a lot of hope, as well. kind of excitement about what might -- what the next couple of weeks might bring. >> we see the th
behind those walls, behind those gaets now, pope emeritus, the former joseph ratzinger and we have the seat is vacant. the seat of peter is now vacant. father bartuni krc, your feelin? >> the feelings i've had all day. i'm feeming more. bitt bittersweet. nice to see how the decision of the pope is taken by the catholic faithful throughout the world. following what he believes to be the good for the church and many of us have come to really love him and respect him. and so, you really feel...
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well, then came joseph ratzinger, a german, but then at that point they could choose to a non-italian being pope. if our catholics, and especially catholics in rome and in italy, are they ready for a noneuropean? yes, i think so. they have come to understand that what really matters is the passion, the stamina, the strength, and the message that a pope sends out and how he delivers it. they embrace that and understand that the world is now a worldwide church. that the catholic church is now a worldwide church. yes, i think there are ready. they're not -- i don't think they are particularly too bothered about the fact that the next pope will be italian. they just want to know who is next because that's always a massive event here in rome. when the white smoke comes out of the sistine chapel, people will be charging here down the big street from rome into the vatican because everyone wantston who their new pope is. that's exciting. >> george, you talk about the challenges that the first has faced. is that going to be part of this conversation, the scandals here, and else where in the wo
well, then came joseph ratzinger, a german, but then at that point they could choose to a non-italian being pope. if our catholics, and especially catholics in rome and in italy, are they ready for a noneuropean? yes, i think so. they have come to understand that what really matters is the passion, the stamina, the strength, and the message that a pope sends out and how he delivers it. they embrace that and understand that the world is now a worldwide church. that the catholic church is now a...
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i think benedict, joseph ratzinger wanted to be pope last team. he planned to do it. he gave a mark anthony speech. we all heard it during the funeral, which we covered last time. it looks to me like basically he has a 67 voters, majority of voters, in the college of cardinals that he has appointed personally. i think they'll be watching who he wants. if he wants this fellow skoela, he is going to get him. >> it's not the ora of the papacy itself, and you, i think rightfully so, say that the decision could open up a period of soul-searching in the catholic church has, in fact, badly needed. >> right. that point about the most modern thing he did is a quote from michael sean winters, a very smart watcher and student of the catholic church. you know, i was listening to chris, and i think he has the politics broadly right, but this is kind of macciavelli versus the holy spirit here. >> which one? >> exactly. >> i don't represent the holy spirit. i just want to say those are the two views. because he is right. skola is the favorite going in, and the question is are all th
i think benedict, joseph ratzinger wanted to be pope last team. he planned to do it. he gave a mark anthony speech. we all heard it during the funeral, which we covered last time. it looks to me like basically he has a 67 voters, majority of voters, in the college of cardinals that he has appointed personally. i think they'll be watching who he wants. if he wants this fellow skoela, he is going to get him. >> it's not the ora of the papacy itself, and you, i think rightfully so, say that...
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>> i was going to say chris, when it came to the selection of cardinal joseph ratzinger eight years ago, his name was out there before the conclave began but nobody was predicting the universal -- basically how quickly he was able to wrap up the election as he did. every chance that we may see white smoke before we know it? >> reporter: i don't think we will see it today. i said if we see it today, i will fall off this balcony. having said that down the know what the dynamics are going to be inside this radio. but i think the betting money here is certainly on no sooner than friday. they are already talking about having installation mass on tuesday, which would be the feast of st. joseph. if you look at the last nine conclaves, if history is any guide, they go just a little more than three days, but i think what's really different, and you know this, chuck, from the last time, is that it had been decades of a papacy and so a lot of these cardinal also known each other for a long time this time, more than half of them, this is their first conclave. so, there is a sense that no one has ri
>> i was going to say chris, when it came to the selection of cardinal joseph ratzinger eight years ago, his name was out there before the conclave began but nobody was predicting the universal -- basically how quickly he was able to wrap up the election as he did. every chance that we may see white smoke before we know it? >> reporter: i don't think we will see it today. i said if we see it today, i will fall off this balcony. having said that down the know what the dynamics are...
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ratzinger, the real name of cardinal of pope benedict xvi. we're all here waiting to see whether the pope appears on the balco balcony, but also to see how that meeting goes. >> i did appreciate that one of the first things the pope did upon being elected was offer prayers for benedict. so clearly they must have a very good relationship. claudio, thank you so much. >>> in about an hour, president obama will be leaving jordan. he's bound for washington. earlier today the president toured the ancient city of petra. that is jordan's famed archaeological site. it is enclosed by towering sandstone cliffs and dates back to prehistoric times. joining me now for more on president obama's middle east trip in tel aviv, nbc's correspondent martin fletcher, and from washington, p.j. crowley, former assistant secretary of state for public affairs and a fellow at the george washington institute for public diplomacy and global communication. that's one long title, p.j. >> it is alex. >> a good day to both of you. martin, the president's first official trip
ratzinger, the real name of cardinal of pope benedict xvi. we're all here waiting to see whether the pope appears on the balco balcony, but also to see how that meeting goes. >> i did appreciate that one of the first things the pope did upon being elected was offer prayers for benedict. so clearly they must have a very good relationship. claudio, thank you so much. >>> in about an hour, president obama will be leaving jordan. he's bound for washington. earlier today the president...
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so i think a lot of people anticipate it's not going to be like 2005 when joseph ratzinger was elected on the fourth ballot after a day and a half. this is going to take a couple of days. i was struck by something else cardinal dolan said yesterday in that horrible media scrum. he said a week ago i wouldn't have told you we were ready. now he says he feels that they are ready to make this decision. >> we forget that so many of these cardinals were appointed by pope benedict so they really don't necessarily know each other. they're from all around the world. so they have had this time together to get to know each other, to have some conversations, and of course back home what everyone is talking about, father baron, is could there be an american pope. could there be a north american pope. the way one vatican insider put it to me yesterday was i think we've gone from a very long shot to a long shot. is that about right? >> the single most interesting thing about this period, two weeks ago i was interviewed and said any chance for an american pope. i said slim to none. i love timothy dola
so i think a lot of people anticipate it's not going to be like 2005 when joseph ratzinger was elected on the fourth ballot after a day and a half. this is going to take a couple of days. i was struck by something else cardinal dolan said yesterday in that horrible media scrum. he said a week ago i wouldn't have told you we were ready. now he says he feels that they are ready to make this decision. >> we forget that so many of these cardinals were appointed by pope benedict so they really...
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. >> reporter: as cardinals joseph ratzinger, he was labelled god's rottweiler. he was shown a gentle side. never more so than meeting with sex abuse victims in his 2008 trip in the u.s. he saved his biggest surprise for last says john thamus who covered the vatican for 30 years. >> he will be remembered as the pope who resigned. it will be greatest gift to the church. >> reporter: currently, the conclave to elect the successor to benedict xvi is to happen between march 15th and march 20th. there is talk of moving that date up. all of the cardinals are expected to be here on february 28th. alex, back to you. >>> anne thompson, thank you. the blame game on tsequestratio. the new york times says those will cut 14,000 teachers and employees. and 250,000 civilians employed by the army could be furloughed for up to 22 days. aircraft would forego maintenance. >> it's the president who proposed this sequester. is the house with smarter cuts in other areas of government. >> the fact is this was never the president's idea. this was the result of hostage politics in the re
. >> reporter: as cardinals joseph ratzinger, he was labelled god's rottweiler. he was shown a gentle side. never more so than meeting with sex abuse victims in his 2008 trip in the u.s. he saved his biggest surprise for last says john thamus who covered the vatican for 30 years. >> he will be remembered as the pope who resigned. it will be greatest gift to the church. >> reporter: currently, the conclave to elect the successor to benedict xvi is to happen between march 15th...
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cardinal joseph ratzinger became pope benedict xvi after four ballots and that took only two days. now, this is unlikely to happen this time because there are divisions among the cardinals and it may take a few days longer. now, the longest conclave in the last 100 years was five days. will this one go over that and become a record-breaker? well, craig, we'll have to wait for the white smoke and see. >> well, we know that they have been here for a number of days now. we saw some pictures from mass this morning. what else have they been doing over the past few days. have there been alliances built, campaigning, so to speak? >> well, what we know is that there are two factions coming out of college of cardinals. one is the reformers who want to change the things as they are run here now from within the vatican city as the roman courier, especially the italian cardinals, are blamed to have concentrated too much power with themselves, and the other ones, sorry, of course, the ones that want to change it. the other ones, the faction is the old guards. just want to keep things as they ar
cardinal joseph ratzinger became pope benedict xvi after four ballots and that took only two days. now, this is unlikely to happen this time because there are divisions among the cardinals and it may take a few days longer. now, the longest conclave in the last 100 years was five days. will this one go over that and become a record-breaker? well, craig, we'll have to wait for the white smoke and see. >> well, we know that they have been here for a number of days now. we saw some pictures...
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unlike eight years ago when cardinal joseph ratzinger was the front runner to replace pope john paul ii, this time no clear consensus around the successor, you hear names but no one that this a front-runner. cardinals within the vatican are hoping to energize the 1.2 billion catholics. the first pope from latin america, she werer exis the hope. but angelo scola said to be the favorite of cardinals from nation. timothy dolan of new york and sean patrick o'malley of boston are believed to be in the mix. >> it is a place filled with see kress circumstance mystery, corruption and scandal and the next pope has to address all that and give catholics both here in the united states and around the world the sense that he gets it, the see kress say that surrounded the papacy for the last 20 years has got to be eliminated. >> if they hired me as a marketer, no, i say this seriously, work to hire someone younger. and is that church obviously in turmoil now and to have somebody that physically appears they are of this time, for lack of a better word, would immediately send a signal. it sounds lik
unlike eight years ago when cardinal joseph ratzinger was the front runner to replace pope john paul ii, this time no clear consensus around the successor, you hear names but no one that this a front-runner. cardinals within the vatican are hoping to energize the 1.2 billion catholics. the first pope from latin america, she werer exis the hope. but angelo scola said to be the favorite of cardinals from nation. timothy dolan of new york and sean patrick o'malley of boston are believed to be in...
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. >> joseph ratzinger, cardinal ratzinger then was 78 years old when he got this job and was actually looking at retirement. he was ready to step down. >> right. >> but obviously the vatican calls -- >> he was moving to boca. hey, how do you know, mika brzezinski, that your church, the catholic church, is in serious, serious trouble? >> how? >> when mike barnicle is speaking. when he becomes -- >> when i'm at the pope desk. >> when he's at the pope desk. where is pat buchanan? hey, somebody call pat buchanan and wake him up. what's up next? >>> well, we're going to talk about the state of the union next. coming up, deputy majority whip congressman tom cole will join us. also former deputy campaign manager for the obama campaign, stephanie cutter will be here to preview the president's state of the union address. and later, we'll talk to nbc news chief white house correspondent, chuck todd. and "new york times" columnist gail collins. and in just a few minutes, sports columnist for the "new york daily news," mike lupica joins the table. he knows it's true. look at him, he looks guilty.
. >> joseph ratzinger, cardinal ratzinger then was 78 years old when he got this job and was actually looking at retirement. he was ready to step down. >> right. >> but obviously the vatican calls -- >> he was moving to boca. hey, how do you know, mika brzezinski, that your church, the catholic church, is in serious, serious trouble? >> how? >> when mike barnicle is speaking. when he becomes -- >> when i'm at the pope desk. >> when he's at the...